Rise of the Reds mod for C&C: Generals Zero Hour

You forgot to mention that if you were the lead dev, it would have been out and awesome already.
How unlucky we are...

almost eight years have passed yet they have no publicly playable update for either rise of the reds or shockwave

any sarcastic retort to that?

Shockwave is considered finished. But I am pretty sure you know it, otherwise you would have not brought it up.

Rise of the Reds was put on hiatus for several years for personal reasons. Hanpatch took the relay and had several releases. The fixes and most of the balance changes have been ported to the 1.9 version, which is currently in closed beta. Development has been steady since May of last year, but it is not finished yet. We don't want to release an unfinished pile of crap because we are lot DICE, and this is not BF2042. But you know all of that because you have noticed that we do regular streams to showcase the progress.

Any more questions or you're good ?

i apologise i'm not very knowledgeable about the going ons in the zero hour modding community i'm just a lurker and enjoyer of content

Then get your facts straight instead of attacking the modders for stupid childish reasons like you did.

USA: Sentry Drone, Predator Drone
China: Troop Crawler, Speaker Tower with Sensor Tower upgrade, Black Lotus in Communications Channel Hack mode
GLA: Observation Van with Observation Scanners upgrade, Partisan in Deploy Radio Receiver mode
Russia: Conscript with Infrared Goggles upgrade, Radar Outpost with Early Warning Outpost upgrade
ECA: Attack Dog, Guard Tower in Scanning Mode, Mobile Sensor Array

I could omit something, but at least the main detectors should be there.

Thank you for this in depth post of the units that can detect stealth!

there also that humvee like unit in ECA who can detect stealth unit, the one that can be trained in field command center

Correct. Just an important thing: Conscripts detect stealth even inside transports or garrisons.

I have a sub question

So from all of the above it would seem that stealth is extremely powerful in this mod, maybe even a bit OP at times.

For example as Russia I basically have to attack everytime with conscripts along other units also, if I don't use conscripts in every attack also then my units are completely blind and stealth units or buildings are invisible for them.

Im curious about this choice, wouldn't it be better to make most units be able to detect stealth units just at a extremely lower range, so maybe if a tank has 170 range weapon he might detect stealth units at 50 range, making it extremely ineffective at it, but not COMPLETELY blind, as it is now a unit can basically be 1 meter away from a stealth building or unit and can't see it, thats a bit silly.

I also noticed when playing against GLA ai that it was a bit OP using my stealth jet against them as the USA, their defense buildings can't detect stealth and I can just freely keep bombarding and picking their defenses apart.

Its also hard to make your long range artillery effective, like tomahawk or other similar units, because only certain units can detect stealth so basically you are forced in having those units in your attack group and sending them forward to scout things I guess?

Maybe since im new in playing this 1.87 ROTR I am missing something I don't know, alot of questions and confussion for now lol

Stealth is anything but OP. It is just a matter of getting used to it.

Giving all (or even most) units a limited detection ability would absolutely ruin GLA, as well as making many other units useless.

There are 2 kind of detectors:
- Basic ones, which are mobile and accesible early game. They also bring something more into the mix. USA Sentry drones do rip infantry apart, CHina's Troop Crawler is a cornerstone of most of their attack forces, Russian conscript can enter any transport or garrison, effectively turning them into detectors (try putting one inside a Hind or Grizzly), and ECA's bloodhound provide CHaff countermeasures, which is very useful. The only bad case (before 1.9) is the GLA observation van, which has nothing special.

- Advanced ones are immobile and available later in the game, but with the advantage of covering a huge area. Putting a couple around your base effectively negates any kind of infiltration attempt.

In 1.9 there are a couple of changes in that regard:
- Basic detectors do no longer detect disguised units. Only Advanced ones do.
- Russia get the Sergeant, which gets the IR googles instead of the conscript
- Russia also get an upgrade that automatically loads any Grizzly with a Sergeant.
- GLA scout van now intercepts ballistic missiles and can be upgraded with rockets.

Ok, sounds interesting, how do you suggest attacking then, always having these stealth detectors up front to scout for stealth units?

And also how come my stealth aircraft was so OP against gla base defenses, they couldn't detect me or anything and I just kept destroying them one by one

I would suggest mixing them with your attack forces. They are too fragile to be sent alone.

As for GLA defenses, they don't detect stealth, like most defenses. If there was no obs van nor partisan nearby, it's normal you weren't detected

I guess the ai does not put alot of vans and partisans near defenses then? Might be the issue then but yeah, good points, I will try your advice

And if you are new to the mod, I would suggest you start learning one faction. Learn every feature, every unit, every upgrade of that faction.
Once you know that faction well, try to adapt your knowledge to other factions.